Goddess - to each her own....I don't want to stay in steerage and I can think of few more pleasurable things on a cruise than sitting on a balcony sipping my drink of choice watching the sunrise or sunset unencumbered by fellow tourists for a few blissful minutes each day.
Kathy - Two people in a room do pay more for a room than a single, just not twice as much, as you would have them do. This added cost is to cover the things you mention above.
With your logic, then the couple should always get twice as much space, twice as nice a view, twice everything that the single gets because they would be paying twice as much.
No - you aren't following - my main point is that each person should pay the same - certainly if there are two people it is double the single - but each person pays the same. Just as a single chooses to travel alone, doubles choose to travel together - neither should benefit or be punished by that choice. I would imagine that often doubles do use double the amount of incidentals and water and towels so they should pay double. What you are suggesting is that singles actually subsidize the doubles. If a company chooses to allow singles, they shouldn't punish them.
Jane - Per your statement - ‘neither should benefit or be punished by that choice.’
Yet you think a double should pay twice as much for the same floor space, the same closet space, etc. as a single. What you are suggesting is that the doubles should actually subsidize the singles. If the company allows doubles, they shouldn’t punish them.
It doesn’t cost twice as much to heat or cool a room with two in it as it does for one in it, nor provide electricity, nor clean and make up a room. Yes some incidentals are more - towels, water usage, but not the ones I mentioned. This is why the cost is more in total for a double, just not double the cost.
The model is the same as you would see at an all inclusive resort. One person in a room pays a higher per person rate for the room, but not a higher total amount for the room. Why, because some costs are truly doubled by the number of people, but other costs aren’t doubled. Some costs are the same regardless of the people in the room.
Companies whether travel companies like Tauck, all-inclusive resorts, etc. understand and look at these things. They know the costs and what they need to charge for N people in a room to cover their costs and make a profit. The facts are to get a lower per person rate it requires more people in a room. The total cost of the room with two in it might be 1.5 times what it is for one in it. Just as the cost of the room with three in the room might be 2 times the cost of the room with one in it. So yes the triples per person rate is .67 that of the single and the double is .75 that of the single, but the overall amount charged is higher with more people in the room. These factors are set based on costs. They aren’t one size group subsidizing the other.
Sam - we’re going to have to agree to disagree. Two people very likely use more electricity as they charge double the devices etc… cleaning up after two is more work than cleaning up after one…they very likely use more amenities and food and drink…IMO, square footage is neither here nor there - double rooms are oftentimes larger than single rooms notwithstanding what British said above, but I doubt you agree.
Yes - IIWII but I don’t have to like it and I don’t have to like that you think it’s ok for me to pay $5000 more for the same experience…I just feel like all of us sign up for the same trip - the same experiences and we should pay the same for that.
Jane - I never said I agree with the $5000 more number. I said that the amount of the supplement is debatable. What isn’t debatable, to me, is that your desired ‘charge exactly the same per person model’, independent of the number of rooms involved isn’t what any business does.
I have no issue, if you feel the $5000 number is excessive. I do have issue if you feel the difference should be zero.
Regardless of business model, why should any person have to pay more than another? It’s the same experience that we pay for. Just because hotels have always done it and no one questions it anymore it doesn’t make it right for the tour group situation.
I agree with Goddess. Only once (in several river cruises) have I availed myself of the "no single supplement" category 1 cabins, but the savings more than paid for my business class airfare. I did not find the cabin "crappy." It was perfectly adequate. And, as always, the staff and my fellow travelers were very welcoming -- nobody cared which cabin I was in.
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Goddess - to each her own....I don't want to stay in steerage and I can think of few more pleasurable things on a cruise than sitting on a balcony sipping my drink of choice watching the sunrise or sunset unencumbered by fellow tourists for a few blissful minutes each day.
Kathy - Two people in a room do pay more for a room than a single, just not twice as much, as you would have them do. This added cost is to cover the things you mention above.
With your logic, then the couple should always get twice as much space, twice as nice a view, twice everything that the single gets because they would be paying twice as much.
No - you aren't following - my main point is that each person should pay the same - certainly if there are two people it is double the single - but each person pays the same. Just as a single chooses to travel alone, doubles choose to travel together - neither should benefit or be punished by that choice. I would imagine that often doubles do use double the amount of incidentals and water and towels so they should pay double. What you are suggesting is that singles actually subsidize the doubles. If a company chooses to allow singles, they shouldn't punish them.
Jane - Per your statement - ‘neither should benefit or be punished by that choice.’
Yet you think a double should pay twice as much for the same floor space, the same closet space, etc. as a single. What you are suggesting is that the doubles should actually subsidize the singles. If the company allows doubles, they shouldn’t punish them.
It doesn’t cost twice as much to heat or cool a room with two in it as it does for one in it, nor provide electricity, nor clean and make up a room. Yes some incidentals are more - towels, water usage, but not the ones I mentioned. This is why the cost is more in total for a double, just not double the cost.
The model is the same as you would see at an all inclusive resort. One person in a room pays a higher per person rate for the room, but not a higher total amount for the room. Why, because some costs are truly doubled by the number of people, but other costs aren’t doubled. Some costs are the same regardless of the people in the room.
Companies whether travel companies like Tauck, all-inclusive resorts, etc. understand and look at these things. They know the costs and what they need to charge for N people in a room to cover their costs and make a profit. The facts are to get a lower per person rate it requires more people in a room. The total cost of the room with two in it might be 1.5 times what it is for one in it. Just as the cost of the room with three in the room might be 2 times the cost of the room with one in it. So yes the triples per person rate is .67 that of the single and the double is .75 that of the single, but the overall amount charged is higher with more people in the room. These factors are set based on costs. They aren’t one size group subsidizing the other.
Maybe you have long showers, I shower for a few minutes. It is just he way it works in the luxury tour travel business.
Sam - we’re going to have to agree to disagree. Two people very likely use more electricity as they charge double the devices etc… cleaning up after two is more work than cleaning up after one…they very likely use more amenities and food and drink…IMO, square footage is neither here nor there - double rooms are oftentimes larger than single rooms notwithstanding what British said above, but I doubt you agree.
Yes - IIWII but I don’t have to like it and I don’t have to like that you think it’s ok for me to pay $5000 more for the same experience…I just feel like all of us sign up for the same trip - the same experiences and we should pay the same for that.
Jane - I never said I agree with the $5000 more number. I said that the amount of the supplement is debatable. What isn’t debatable, to me, is that your desired ‘charge exactly the same per person model’, independent of the number of rooms involved isn’t what any business does.
I have no issue, if you feel the $5000 number is excessive. I do have issue if you feel the difference should be zero.
Regardless of business model, why should any person have to pay more than another? It’s the same experience that we pay for. Just because hotels have always done it and no one questions it anymore it doesn’t make it right for the tour group situation.
We’ll never agree so let’s just drop it.
I agree with Goddess. Only once (in several river cruises) have I availed myself of the "no single supplement" category 1 cabins, but the savings more than paid for my business class airfare. I did not find the cabin "crappy." It was perfectly adequate. And, as always, the staff and my fellow travelers were very welcoming -- nobody cared which cabin I was in.